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Tuesday 26 November 2013

Thoughts After Some Conversations with Converts


Among young Catholics of a certain age and among some slightly older converts, there is a huge confusion as to objective and subjective truth. For some reason, mainly the pushing of relativism in the educational systems for over 40 years, most younger Catholics cannot think rationally or logically (not quite the same think) concerning the Teachings of the Catholic Church.

I have written on this before on this blog-follow the tags on thinking like Catholics, etc.

But, the problem does not merely make discussions or teaching difficult for the orthodox, catechist, but makes conversion difficult, as many people want to come into the Church for emotional reasons.

That there is a huge confusion on the application of doctrine to individual moral cases seems so widespread that one can hardly imagine such a large group of Catholics who have never be taught to think like Catholics.

Protestant thinking invaded the Church over 40 years ago with the weakening of the teaching of catechism and the introduction of charismatic renewal, with the emphasis on emotional religious experience.

But, lately, I am concerned at the number of young converts who are not being challenged in RCIA or in personal catechesis to think rationally.

The problem becomes compounded by the acceptance of so-called emotional conversion experiences which take the place of a slower, methodical  approach.

Some dioceses in the States are moving to a two-year RCIA format. To me, this is excellent, as one cannot cover the doctrines of the Church with people who are coming out of absolutely no Christian background or who have been brainwashed by relativism in less than a year, and two years would be better.

If a convert has been reading the Doctors of the Church, or the Early Church Fathers a la Newman, the conversion classes could be shortened. Good priests who do the teaching one on one can make such decisions on an individual basis.

The worst catechized are the college and university students who have converted in that setting and have been accepted after cursory courses.

How can we change the entire thinking structure of a person to think like a Catholic?

I am convinced we need to go back to St. Thomas Aquinas, to the Socratic Method of question and answer and demand a real digestion of the CCC. Also, as I taught Mystagoia in the past, the Church should require that extra year, and not make it optional.

The Church is weakened by those who convert and do not understand the basics. I am talking almost daily with converts who have never heard basic teachings on sacramental theology, the meaning and definition of grace, or the ideas of salvation in and through the Catholic Church only.

There are few who understand the huge difference between objective criteria and subjectivity.

Can we pull back on the numbers games and slowly bring in people who will not be confused, or who fall away once they come to understand what should have been introduced along the way in RCIA or private catechesis?

Here are some past posts on thinking like a Catholic....

10 Jul 2013
To think like a Catholic is to see the reality of the world through the Eyes of God and not one's own eyes. If you have lost the gift of discernment or wisdom given to you in baptism through sin and compromise, pray for such.
13 Apr 2012
Too many of the courses are based on a particular professor's private interests instead of a Catholic world-view. Our priests, bishops and cardinals need to learn to think like Catholics and in too many cases, this perspective is ...
13 Nov 2013
Too many people think America will not become like the broken big brother of Europe, too ... The City of God is not a millennial-type of utopia, but the spiritual city to which we, as baptized Catholics, all belong. But, it must be ...
13 Nov 2013
I have met too many people who are leading Catholics astray by a false emphasis on feelings and experiences, and I have many articles on such here on this blog. ... I cannot trust him, as he is thinking like a Protestant.

18 Nov 2013
Think like a Catholic, pray like a Catholic, and live daily life in the counter-culture which is true Catholicism. God gave us His Son, Who established the Church on earth to help us in our salvation. Do not waste this great grace.
15 Nov 2013
Who is stopping the marginalization of Catholics from discussions in the public sphere? Who is stopping the core curriculum, which is brainwashing? Who is preparing their children to think like Catholics even under stress?
07 Aug 2013
There is a huge campaign in the States at this time and some Catholics are allowing themselves to join the group which is calling a prominent person a name. Let me explain something. Arguing a moral point should never include a reference ... I think these are sins of hatred. Logic was required in private Catholic high schools in the States, at the freshman or .... Let's get back to being like Jesus....Yes, by challenging the present fear of offending. 8 August 2013 16:42.
17 Jul 2012
One piece looks like bones, and another is in the shape of a small crustacean. I was thinking of how my dwelling is built with the ruins of another ancient time of ancient creatures which were once alive. Will there be any ...

21 Nov 2013
We are blessed as Catholics to have both the gift of faith given to us in baptism, and The Faith, passed down to us through the Teaching Magisterium of the Catholic Church. I would like to ask you, dear readers, in these last ...
15 Feb 2012
Because I am thinking of the Catholic use of the media today, here is Campion's Brag. If you remember, he printed this up at Stonor House, and distributed it, among other places, at the parish in Oxford. Brave, brave member ...
11 Apr 2012
Traditional Catholic Blog .... from the pulpit on such matters. He's likely to come off as some Mooslim-like perv who gets excited at the thought of a women's ankle, or sound like an old gay queen in the process. If there's no one ill dressed in the church, why lecture. If someone has got on long tailored shorts in hot weather in church in a tourist area, they'll think they are being singled out for persecution and they may never darken the church door again. Not a good thing.
28 Apr 2013
... knew Catholic doctrine and we today don't. Besides, in times of crisis and distress, when we are not thinking clearly, it is precisely the things we have memorized that come most readily to our aid when we need them. ...The suggestions you make are wonderful, and I have spent a great deal of time with websites like Catholic Icing, Catholicmoms, and A Shower of Roses to get inspiration and mentoring on this journey. It is of great comfort to me to hear of someone ...

16 Nov 2013
Traditional Catholic Blog ... Fair-weather friends tend to be those who only want to be friends if they can gain something from the relationship, or think that what they are gaining are material benefits. I have found out recently that I have been dropped by middle-class minded people who are not interested in understanding or ... These nuns radiate the love and grace of God, and shine like little, hidden saints. They promised to pray for me. I was very touched by their real ...
12 Jul 2012
Here are my reasons why liberal Catholics, especially and some trads have fallen into the trap of the "single vocation", which I do not think exists, except for the above calls. One, selfishness. Our individualistic, selfish and.... I do agree with you, that the single life is not a vocation but in rare circumstances, yet I and some friends like me are really really uneasy with (or perhaps lack the courage for) the dating site concept. I now wonder, are we culpable of not seeking ...
02 Oct 2013
If you are a Catholic and a socialist, you are not thinking like a Catholic. One needs to repent of holding on to false ideologies of all kinds, if one is going to follow Christ in the teachings of His Church. One cannot pick and ...
15 Nov 2013
Think about the travels of SS. Francis, or Dominic, or Catherine of Siena, or Francis Xavier, or Isaac Joques. The Catholic Church is the only institution in the world which has always transcended boundaries. Missionaries, nuns and priests, brothers and sisters, have travelled the world in the past without problems on entry or stay. Convents could set ... Please join me in prayer, as, like St. Paul, I feel called to Europe to work for Christ and His Church there. I have a great ...

25 Jun 2012
Some of these wreckovations are politically, ideologically motivated by "Catholics" who either think like Protestants or Marxists. Still, like a worn-out mantra, people decry the use of beauty in church architecture, vestments, ...
16 Jan 2012
I also think there has to be good reason for not having children. The grand example are two of my favorite Catholics, Jacques and Raissa Maritain, who on the Isle of Wight, as Benedictine Oblates, took a vow of celibacy "for ...
10 Sep 2013
Perhaps Catholics have never read the Decree Against Communism, written in 1949 by Pope Pius XII and reconfirmed in 1962 by Bl. John XXIII. .... Labels: Gramsci, heresies, rabbits, socialism, thinking like Catholics ...
18 May 2013
The Renaissance and the Reformation have shaped the modern western individual, who is not weighed down by external burdens like merely extrinsic authority and tradition; people feel the need to “belong” to institutions less and less (and yet .... The purpose of this contribution is to help Catholics find a key to understanding the basic principles behind New Age thinking, so that they can then make a Christian evaluation of the elements of New Age they encounter.

19 Apr 2012
Many great writers already quoted on this blog, including Garrigou-Lagrange, believe this is not a call only for those special mystics who are obviously given such graces, but for all Catholics. .... I think perhaps the relationship of those who live by the private revelations, those people I have met in abundance in both the Midwest of America and in Ireland and England, indicated that they do fall into a community of people who live ...... Wear Your Tribulation Like A Rose.
30 Nov 2012
Think that the FSSP is a compromising order (I really do not like this one) 5. Think ... I know many good Catholic trad priests who have told me the faculties are not given to SSPX priests and that the Confessions are not valid.
16 Sep 2013
16) (= "to speak to the heart" or "to oneself"), mean "to think." The heart .... Labels: love, marriage, thinking like Catholics ... I think that it is a great book, but the last part from the Makarian Homilies is the best bit of the comment.
08 Jan 2013
The European friends of mine cannot understand wanting to be in charge of your own space. They are think like socialists, even the Catholics. What shocks me is their blind trust in their governments, and worse, the feeling of ...

02 Jun 2013
These good people are self-deceived into thinking that the externals of faith mean they are saved. Interior disposition is ALL in .... to TwitterShare to Facebook. Labels: catholic teaching, magical thinking, thinking like Catholics ...
12 Nov 2013
Are you acting as if your children will not need to be different, special, super-Catholics and saints in the days to come? Do you think they will face a world like yours and mine growing up? Are you forming saints? I see too ...
02 Feb 2013
All I know is that I don't "get" them and would like to understand more - how is that they are so "switched on" and single-minded about TOB? It's interesting, too, that the "TOB" camp promotes the YOUCAT to Catholic youth, ...
04 Dec 2012
I am truly concerned about the present youth who cannot and will not think objectively. If you have ... Now, we shall see the triumph of the Prince of Darkness, unless Catholics begin to think like Catholics-objectively.

16 Nov 2013
He said that right now in these difficult times, many Catholics were not paying attention to building the Kingdom of God, but asleep, busy about other, less important things. Like the unjust judge, they were ignoring not only the ...
04 Jun 2013
I have written about this many times, but one more time will not hurt....in fact, this post is another contradiction of more magical thinking ... Labels: catholic teaching, magical thinking, private revelations, thinking like Catholics ...
02 Dec 2012
Most people I know could not function like that, traditional Catholics or otherwise. 3 December 2012 04:40 · Supertradmum said... Matthew, one of your comments accidentally got deleted. Please re-post. Thanks. I think it was ...
08 Sep 2013
One would think that it, and its author, never existed. Fortunately, it was written in a manner which is ideal for spoken-word production. It is clear, forthright, concise, descriptive, it is like a mountain stream in a desert, with a reputation of miraculously curing spiritual blindness. Rev. Hugh Thwaites ... Hugh Thwaites SJ, Humani Generis by Pope Pius XII: This encyclical concerns false opinions which threaten to sap the foundations of Catholic Teaching. It corrects the false ...